RA143041 Anyone know the deal?

[PyroExec]

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I have Raccoon RA143041 in an upcoming show and in Finale it says its a 90s cake but in the cases I have there are two 36s cakes. I only have enough for this show so I cannot test it IRL. Even the two 36 cakes chained only comes to 72 shots. See attached pictures. Is the finale effect a representation of the compound or a single unit and should it be adjusted to the proper shot count?

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Pictures

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12JQAO93yP_GESkpOlvJEcflcu8pAxj6y/view?usp=sharing

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hKh-b03qInySQvQ4V9EbIfPCevDwhgOq/view?usp=sharing

 

 

 

 

 

[AviatorRuss]

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Hey PyroExec,

 

First, I have no real-world experience with this specific product…sorry.

 

I compared both the video from Racoon (link), the product on American Wholesale Fireworks (same video, diff product picture), and the simulation from Finale3d. Regardless of the discrepancy in shot counts, the timing (~10seconds) looks correct. When I compare cakes etc…it’s usually the TIMING that is most important in the simulations…ie the prefire time to the “fadeout” of the last effect in the sky…FWIW.

 

In this case, based on the pictures you have and Racoon’s video, I *believe* that the 10seconds is for EACH 500g cake, and what you’ve purchased appears to be a 1.4gPRO level 1000g cake, which can be chained together…so it’s safe to assume that the chained effect duration would be 20seconds.

 

Thats what I would plan for in my show, and sorry in advance if I’m wrong!

 

Cheers,

-Russ

[PyroExec]

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Thank you, that is what I was thinking as well. I guess if it is a single cake (fingers crossed) I could test one and see.

[NeilFinale]

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Hi PyroExec,

 

As you correctly pointed out, there are some discrepancies between the first-party video details and the actual product label. The Finale 3D sim is based on the Raccoon demo video, but the final product that was shipped doesn’t seem to match the original product in the demo video.

 

The cake label suggests that each cake is 13s in duration, V-shaped with angles in both directions, with 36 shots per cake (so 18 shots of each left and right per cake). In the original demo video, there are 42 shots for each left and right all happening within the ~13s duration.

 

According to the label, it looks like one cake will launch 36 shots in the same amount of time as the demo video’s 84 total shots.

 

Due to this, it seems firing both cakes at the same time will produce a similar effect to the video, with 72 shots in the ~13s duration — or you could fire one after the other to get ~26s duration with a slower firing cadence. However, because of the discrepancies in the information, the actual performance may still be different even to what the label shows.

 

I have updated the Raccoon supplier catalog simulation to reflect this — now the cake is shown as ~13s duration with 36 shots, representing a single cake from the box.

 

In cases like this, the only way to know for sure the details of the product that was shipped is to wait until someone tests the actual cakes. If/when you find out how the cake actually performs, please let us know and we can make sure the sim matches.

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Thanks Neil,

 

I synced my catalog and the effect still seems to have well over 36 shots?

[NeilFinale]

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You might need to update your per-show effects to get the new sim from the catalog. You can do that by going to Effects → Update Per-show effects…

 

[PyroExec]

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That was it, thanks.

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